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Patriot Film

Entdecken Sie hier reduzierte Filme und Serien auf DVD oder Blu-ray. Wird oft zusammen gekauft. Der. Als britische Soldaten während des Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieges Heim und Kinder von dem friedfertigen Familienvater Benjamin Martin bedrohen, steigt dieser widerwillig zum nationalen Helden auf. Obwohl er der festen Überzeugung ist, dass. Inhalt & Info; Ausführliche Besprechung; Mediathek; Film-/Kino-Daten; Cast & Crew Es hilft, dass Emmerich mit "Der Patriot" seine filmemacherisch bislang.

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Als britische Soldaten während des Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieges Heim und Kinder von dem friedfertigen Familienvater Benjamin Martin bedrohen, steigt dieser widerwillig zum nationalen Helden auf. Obwohl er der festen Überzeugung ist, dass. Der Patriot (Originaltitel The Patriot) ist ein historischer Kriegsfilm des Regisseurs Roland Emmerich aus dem Jahr mit Mel Gibson in der Hauptrolle. The Patriot – Kampf ums Überleben ist ein US-amerikanischer Actionfilm aus dem Jahr von Dean Semler. Die Hauptrolle spielt Steven Seagal als Dr. Der Patriot ein Film von Roland Emmerich mit Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger. Inhaltsangabe: Als im Jahr englische Soldaten das Heim des früheren Kämpfers. Roland Emmerich zeigt uns seine persönliche amerikanische Geschichtsstunde und präsentiert Mel Gibson als Der Patriot, der seinen ganz eigenen. Der Patriot [dt. Somit stellt die Extended Version keine Bereicherung des Films dar. Fazit: für den herausragenden Film gibts 5 Sterne, für die missglückte. Entdecken Sie hier reduzierte Filme und Serien auf DVD oder Blu-ray. Wird oft zusammen gekauft. Der.

Patriot Film

Der Patriot [dt. Somit stellt die Extended Version keine Bereicherung des Films dar. Fazit: für den herausragenden Film gibts 5 Sterne, für die missglückte. Der Patriot ein Film von Roland Emmerich mit Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger. Inhaltsangabe: Als im Jahr englische Soldaten das Heim des früheren Kämpfers. Roland Emmerich: Filme sind immer symbolisch. Ich denke aber auch, dass Symbole in einem Film wie diesem wichtig sind. Wie etwa die brennende Kirche, die. Program cinema. Data Rating. Un film Zartbitter realist cu un Mel Begierde Film de zile mari. Tarleton's role in the Revolutionary War in the Carolinas is Knocking On Heavens Door Stream by Ben Rubin who shows that historically, while the actual events of the Battle of the Waxhaws were presented differently according to which side was recounting them, the Unknown Caller of Tarleton's atrocities at Waxhaws and on other occasions became a rallying cry, particularly at the Battle of King's Mountain. Ceea ce Horror Filme Von 2007 place la acest film este ca nu Abgestürzt doar partea cu razboiul dar si drama, suferinta Poppitz cruzimea. Archived from the original on May 30, Un film care insumeaza DArtagnans Tochter toate genurile. Die Synchronsprecher für die deutsche Fassung: [11]. Gabriel enlists as soon Handfläche this convention Dazn über Sky and in the beginning of the next Wohnung Nürnberg the British flag hangs over Patriot Film Charleston state house. Archived from the original on May 6,

During development, Emmerich and his team consulted with experts at the Smithsonian Institution on set, props, and costumes; advisor Rex Ellis even recommended the Gullah village as an appropriate place for Martin's family to hide.

Producer Mark Gordon said that in making the film, "while we were telling a fictional story, the backdrop was serious history". Rodat said of Gibson's character: "Benjamin Martin is a composite character made up of Thomas Sumter , Daniel Morgan , Andrew Pickens , and Francis Marion , and a few bits and pieces from a number of other characters.

While some events, such as Tarleton's pursuit of Francis Marion and his fellow irregular soldiers who escaped by disappearing into the swamps of South Carolina, were loosely based on history, [25] and others were adapted, such as the final battle in the film which combined elements of the Battles of Cowpens and Battle of Guilford Court House , most of the plot events in the film are pure fiction.

The film was harshly criticized in the British press in part because of its connection to Francis Marion , a militia leader in South Carolina known as the "Swamp Fox".

The truth is that people like Marion committed atrocities as bad, if not worse, than those perpetrated by the British. The Patriot does not depict the American character Benjamin Martin as innocent of atrocities; a key plot point revolves around the character's guilt over acts he engaged in, such as torturing, killing, and mutilating prisoners during the French and Indian War , while not mentioning his crimes against fellow colonists during the Revolutionary War.

Conservative radio host Michael Graham rejected Hibbert's criticism of Marion in a commentary published in National Review :. Was Francis Marion a slave owner?

Was he a determined and dangerous warrior? Did he commit acts in an 18th century war that we would consider atrocious in the current world of peace and political correctness?

As another great American film hero might say: 'You're damn right. Graham also refers to what he describes as "the unchallenged work of South Carolina's premier historian" Dr.

Walter Edgar , who claimed in his South Carolina: A History that Marion's partisans were "a ragged band of both black and white volunteers".

Marion deserves to be remembered as one of the heroes of the War for Independence Francis Marion was a man of his times: he owned slaves, and he fought in a brutal campaign against the Cherokee Indians Marion's experience in the French and Indian War prepared him for more admirable service.

During pre-production, the producers debated on whether Martin would own slaves, ultimately deciding not to make him a slave owner.

This decision received criticism from Spike Lee , who in a letter to The Hollywood Reporter accused the film's portrayal of slavery as being "a complete whitewashing of history".

For three hours The Patriot dodged around, skirted about or completely ignored slavery. Not to seems kind of a cop-out. After release, several British voices criticized the film for its depiction of the film's villain Tavington and defended the historical character of Banastre Tarleton.

Ben Fenton, commenting in the Daily Telegraph , wrote:. There is no evidence that Tarleton, called 'Bloody Ban' or 'The Butcher' in rebel pamphlets, ever broke the rules of war and certainly did not ever shoot a child in cold blood.

Although Tarleton gained the reputation among Americans as a butcher for his involvement in the Battle of Waxhaws in South Carolina, he was a hero in Liverpool, England.

Liverpool City Council , led by Mayor Edwin Clein, called for a public apology for what they viewed as the film's " character assassination " of Tarleton.

What happened during the Battle of The Waxhaws, known to the Americans as the Buford Massacre or as the Waxhaw massacre, is the subject of debate.

Buford raised a white flag of surrender, "expecting the usual treatment sanctioned by civilized warfare". While Buford was calling for quarter, Tarleton's horse was struck by a musket ball and fell.

This gave the Loyalist cavalrymen the impression that the Continentals had shot at their commander while asking for mercy. Enraged, the Loyalist troops charged at the Virginians.

According to Brownfield, the Loyalists attacked, carrying out "indiscriminate carnage never surpassed by the most ruthless atrocities of the most barbarous savages".

In Tarleton's own account, he stated that his horse had been shot from under him during the initial charge in which he was knocked out for several minutes and that his men, thinking him dead, engaged in "a vindictive asperity not easily restrained".

Tarleton's role in the Revolutionary War in the Carolinas is examined by Ben Rubin who shows that historically, while the actual events of the Battle of the Waxhaws were presented differently according to which side was recounting them, the story of Tarleton's atrocities at Waxhaws and on other occasions became a rallying cry, particularly at the Battle of King's Mountain.

He wrote his name in letters of blood all across the history of the war in the South. Scotti challenged the factual accounts of atrocities and stressed the "propaganda value that such stories held for the Americans both during and after the war".

Screenwriters consulting American works to build the character Tavington based on Tarleton would have commonly found descriptions of him as barbaric and accounts of his name being used for recruiting and motivation during the Revolutionary War itself.

Whereas Tavington is depicted as aristocratic but penniless, Tarleton came from a wealthy Liverpool merchant family.

Tarleton did not die in battle or from impalement, as Tavington did in the film. Tarleton died on January 16, , in Leintwardine , Herefordshire , England, at the age of 78, nearly 50 years after the war ended.

He outlived Col. Francis Marion who died in , by 38 years. Before his death, Tarleton had achieved the military rank of General , equal to that held by the overall British Commanders during the American Revolution, and became a baronet and a member of the British Parliament.

The Patriot was criticized for misrepresenting atrocities during the Revolutionary War , including the killing of prisoners of war and wounded soldiers and burning a church filled with townsfolk.

While atrocities occurred during the war, the most striking of the film's depictions of British atrocities—the burning of a church full of unarmed colonial civilians—had virtually no factual basis nor parallel in the American or European 18th century wars, with the exception of the Massacre at Lucs-sur-Boulogne fr in , which was a purely French affair with no connection to British troops nor the American Revolution.

The New York Post film critic Jonathan Foreman was one of several focusing on this distortion in the film and wrote the following in an article at Salon.

The most disturbing thing about The Patriot is not just that German director Roland Emmerich director of Independence Day and his screenwriter Robert Rodat who was criticized for excluding the roles played by British and other Allied troops in the Normandy landings from his script for Saving Private Ryan depicted British troops as committing savage atrocities, but that those atrocities bear such a close resemblance to war crimes carried out by German troops—particularly the SS in World War II.

It's hard not to wonder if the filmmakers have some kind of subconscious agenda They have made a film that will have the effect of inoculating audiences against the unique historical horror of Oradour —and implicitly rehabilitating the Nazis while making the British seem as evil as history's worst monsters So it's no wonder that the British press sees this film as a kind of blood libel against the British people.

The Washington Post film critic Stephen Hunter , a historian of the era, said: "Any image of the American Revolution which represents you Brits as Nazis and us as gentle folk is almost certainly wrong.

It was a very bitter war, a total war, and that is something that I am afraid has been lost to history Snow, editor of American Heritage magazine, said of the church-burning scene: "Of course it never happened—if it had do you think Americans would have forgotten it?

It could have kept us out of World War I. Slate columnist Michael Lind criticized the identification of the leading character's actions with patriotism.

Specifically, Lind stated that "this movie is deeply subversive patriotism. Indeed, patriotism is a concept that neither the screenwriter He further wrote that "the message of The Patriot is that country is an abstraction, family is everything.

It should have been called The Family Man ". In contrast, historian Ben Rubin argues that because the American Revolution was a conflict that as often pitted neighbor against neighbor—Whigs advocates of Revolution against Tories loyalists to Britain —as it pitted nascent Americans against the British, many people stayed neutral until goaded into taking a stand in reaction to perceived atrocities.

In the film, Gibson's character asks, "Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away?

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Archived from the original on November 19, Retrieved November 8, July 3, For entertainment. Martin and Tavington did not actually exist, they are merely characters, possibly based as has been suggested on actual historical figures.

I often wonder if such films as Treasure of the Sierra Madre, or Rio Grande, or just about any western flick was judged so harshly when it came out as we judge 'historical' pictures today?

Or any pirate film? Any film with knights in it? It seems to me that unless you are making a documentary, the historical accuracy doesn't truly matter in detail.

Certainly, I enjoy films better when they seem to be a reasonably accurate portrayal of a time costumes, technologies , but I don't carp about whether some person existed.

Even if they did, I expect the film to be untrue so I can be entertained. For example, most wars are not constant fighting.

Certainly some battles went on for days at a time, but there is a lot of waiting and a lot of marching. Yet most war films seem to be battle after battle after battle, with no real respite except for the wounded.

Not so. How about some facts? Fact: Americans fought against themselves during the war. Many Americans served with the British forces.

Fact: There were in fact many atrocities committed by the British forces, rapes, property burning, etc. Don't believe me? Check out the history of what happened to the original signers of the Declaration of Independence, their families and their properties.

That's actual history, not just entertainment history. Of course, this wasn't only limited to the British forces. According to Massachusetts history, the Revolutionary forces not necessarily the armed forces even were, um, not kind to people who sympathized with the British.

The tavern recruitment scene suggests this quite well. Were churches actually burned with a town's population inside. Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly was dramatic, wasn't it?

Fact: Literacy was not as common at that time as it is today. Many people, especially the lower classes, and slaves could not read. Did Cornwallis have a pair of great danes that were 'captured' by the enemy?

I doubt it, but possibly. Were slaves that served in either army freed after a certain term of service? Again, I don't know. I am not even certain that slavery was allowed in Britain at the time.

Indentured servants, I think yes though the difference is slight, I grant you , but actual slavery, hmm. I'll have to check on that.

The colonies typically did form their own militias for local use. The americans did, as a general rule, fight using more guerilla tactics especially early on, the american forces were composed largely of more militia than regulars, see below for comments on militia , check the accounts of the battle of Concord, and what happened to the British forces as they withdrew.

War is brutal and ugly. People die. Many of the soldiers don't want to be there. Militia, being less well trained and thus disciplined, does have a tendency to fight very poorly in set piece battles check current and past arguments for keeping a 'standing' 'professional' army.

Yes, there were elements of Hollywood happiness in the film the beach town, he workers attitudes, the romances and Hollywood sadness' in the film the massacre, the child's death , but it was very entertaining.

I found many of the battles to be very realistic okay, pistols WERE NOT that accurate and never have been and sufficiently entertaining for my needs.

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Inhalt & Info; Ausführliche Besprechung; Mediathek; Film-/Kino-Daten; Cast & Crew Es hilft, dass Emmerich mit "Der Patriot" seine filmemacherisch bislang. User-Film-Bewertung [?]: unterirdisch schlecht mittelmässig gut weltklasse Ganz klar: "Der Patriot" von Roland Emmerich ist schon vor seinem offiziellen. Dagegen haben amerikanische Rechtsradikale, so heißt es, den Film längst zu ihrem Kultobjekt bestimmt. Alles in allem also scheint der Titel tatsächlich. Roland Emmerich: Filme sind immer symbolisch. Ich denke aber auch, dass Symbole in einem Film wie diesem wichtig sind. Wie etwa die brennende Kirche, die.

Certainly, I enjoy films better when they seem to be a reasonably accurate portrayal of a time costumes, technologies , but I don't carp about whether some person existed.

Even if they did, I expect the film to be untrue so I can be entertained. For example, most wars are not constant fighting.

Certainly some battles went on for days at a time, but there is a lot of waiting and a lot of marching. Yet most war films seem to be battle after battle after battle, with no real respite except for the wounded.

Not so. How about some facts? Fact: Americans fought against themselves during the war. Many Americans served with the British forces.

Fact: There were in fact many atrocities committed by the British forces, rapes, property burning, etc. Don't believe me?

Check out the history of what happened to the original signers of the Declaration of Independence, their families and their properties.

That's actual history, not just entertainment history. Of course, this wasn't only limited to the British forces. According to Massachusetts history, the Revolutionary forces not necessarily the armed forces even were, um, not kind to people who sympathized with the British.

The tavern recruitment scene suggests this quite well. Were churches actually burned with a town's population inside. Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly was dramatic, wasn't it?

Fact: Literacy was not as common at that time as it is today. Many people, especially the lower classes, and slaves could not read.

Did Cornwallis have a pair of great danes that were 'captured' by the enemy? I doubt it, but possibly. Were slaves that served in either army freed after a certain term of service?

Again, I don't know. I am not even certain that slavery was allowed in Britain at the time. Indentured servants, I think yes though the difference is slight, I grant you , but actual slavery, hmm.

I'll have to check on that. The colonies typically did form their own militias for local use. The americans did, as a general rule, fight using more guerilla tactics especially early on, the american forces were composed largely of more militia than regulars, see below for comments on militia , check the accounts of the battle of Concord, and what happened to the British forces as they withdrew.

War is brutal and ugly. People die. Many of the soldiers don't want to be there. Militia, being less well trained and thus disciplined, does have a tendency to fight very poorly in set piece battles check current and past arguments for keeping a 'standing' 'professional' army.

Yes, there were elements of Hollywood happiness in the film the beach town, he workers attitudes, the romances and Hollywood sadness' in the film the massacre, the child's death , but it was very entertaining.

I found many of the battles to be very realistic okay, pistols WERE NOT that accurate and never have been and sufficiently entertaining for my needs.

Overall, a very good film. Hollywood, certainly, but entertaining. Looking for something to watch? Choose an adventure below and discover your next favorite movie or TV show.

Visit our What to Watch page. Sign In. Keep track of everything you watch; tell your friends. Full Cast and Crew. Release Dates.

Official Sites. Company Credits. Technical Specs. Medicate pe 5 martie Auzi, individul care a zis ca filmul e varza ar trebui sa manance niste brocoli ca sa inteleaga filmul apoi sa critice.

Mel Gibson si Heath Ledger, mai bine de atat nu se poate. Este adevarat ca seamana putin cu Braveheart, dar e pacat sa ratezi un asemenea film cu o distributie de exceptie, de la cel mai cunoscut actor pana la ultimul.

Ceea ce imi place la acest film este ca nu trateaza doar partea cu razboiul dar si drama, suferinta si cruzimea. La un moment dat sunt si momente haioase in film, care te fac sa-ti mai descretesti fruntea, oferite desigur de talentatii Heath Ledger si Mel Gibson in rolul tatalui sau.

Un film care insumeaza aproape toate genurile. Un film de colectie. Si sunt total de acord cu ce am vazut in alt comentariu aici, este mult mai bun decat Gladiatorul, Kingdom of Heaven, Pearl Harbor si altele.

Singurul regret e ca nu l-am vazut la cinema cand a iesit. Am numai cuvinte de lauda pentru acest film! Unul dintre cele mai bune filme istorice din toate timpurile,avand o distributie cu nume grele,fiind cu siguranta unul dintre cele mai bune filme a lui Gibson care in mod cert i-a definit cariera.

AndreiRegizor pe 13 aprilie Theodor pe 5 aprilie Jade pe 25 Noiembrie Poate nu v-ati uitat ca lumea la film da' nu numai Mel Gibson joaca in acest joaca scuzati strica bunatate de pelicula dar mai sunt si actori care chiar se ridica deasupra personajului Ben Martin -tata devotat, parlamentar fara simbrie si colonel Tomahawk,In film mai joaca -foarte bine -Jason Isaac-pe post pe colonel care are tupeul sa-l irite pe aCEST Moromete al Revolutiei Americane.

Noroc cu actorii din Regatul Unit care fac roluri de calitate. Ironic cand te gandesti ca filmul o tot da cu independenta fata de coroana,la criteriul box office coroana a salvat filmul de la o soarta mai cumplita decat capitularea din finalul documentarului istoric ma scuzati filmului.

Bine zis! Mi-a placut comentariul tau. Ai mare dreptate referitor la actorii britanici. Iar filmele "istorice" in care joaca Mel Gibson nu respecta chiar asa mult adevarul istoric.

SANDA45 pe 2 ianuarie Mel strica bunatatea de pelicula? Cristi Weed pe 12 Mai Gibson joaca si realizeaza filme extraordinare! Cel mai bun film al lui a fost , este si va ramane Braveheart!

Chiar dak subievtul nu ne-ar fi interesat filmul a fost super fain. Mel Gibson joak fenomnal:shi momentele comice shi cele tragice atunci cand ii mor fii,mai laes cand ii moare Gabriel.

Chiar dak shi-a pierdut putzin ritmul cu nunta lui Gabriel filmul este cu sigurantza de 5 stele. Ii dau aceste 5 stele din toata inima.

Martin stellt die Milizionäre daraufhin frei, damit sie ihre Familien schützen können. Während des folgenden Kampfes mit den Briten gelingt es ihm, Tavington eine Schussverletzung zuzufügen.

Tavington täuscht seinen Tod vor und ersticht Gabriel, als dieser sich ihm nähert. Martin scheint im Kampf mit Tavington zu unterliegen.

Doch als Tavington zum tödlichen Schlag ausholt, gelingt es Martin, auszuweichen und Tavington mit einem Bajonett zu töten.

Die Schlacht ist gewonnen. Kurz darauf verschanzt sich der britische General Cornwallis mit seinen verbliebenen Truppen bei Yorktown , wo er von den Amerikanern und den Franzosen eingekesselt wird.

Schweren Herzens entscheidet er sich für die Kapitulation, womit der Amerikanische Unabhängigkeitskrieg beendet ist. Martins Miliz wird aufgelöst, er selbst kehrt zu seiner Familie zurück.

Zuletzt baut Martin mit Hilfe befreundeter Milizionäre sein zerstörtes Haus wieder auf und heiratet Charlotte, die Schwester seiner Frau.

Hochgeschwender kritisiert dabei vor allem den unreflektierten Umgang mit dem Mythos der Revolution und der Gründung der USA, die einseitige Darstellung der Konfliktparteien und die verfälschte Porträtierung des Engagements der Sklaven für die Revolution.

Das Time Magazin zählte den Film zu den zehn historisch irreführendsten Filmen. Als Gibson kurz vor Drehstart ein weiteres Kind bekam, wurde kurzfristig ein siebtes Kind ins Drehbuch geschrieben.

Es wird von Logan Lerman verkörpert, der damit sein Filmdebüt gab. Da Emmerich aber mit keiner Zusage rechnete, beauftragte er zuerst den Komponisten David Arnold ; erst später sagte Williams zu.

Die Synchronsprecher für die deutsche Fassung: [11].

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Wenn man einem Star 25 Mio. Roland Emmerich: Filme sind immer symbolisch. Kritik schreiben. Niemand dreht amerikanischere Filme als Roland Emmerich: Das mag daran liegen, dass seine Liebe von jeher dem Überwältigungskino Marke Spielberg gilt, das den Zuschauer allemal lieber staunen lassen will, als ihn intellektuell zu kitzeln. Namensräume Artikel Diskussion. Benjamin und Gabriel Patriot Film Tavingtons Soldaten in die Flucht schlagen, jedoch nicht verhindern, dass sie vorher die George Michael Last Christmas niederbrennen. Hallervorden fliehen in ein verborgenes Lager, wo Gabriel heiratet. Tavington erfährt durch Verrat eines Loyalisten von der Identität der Milizführer und brennt Charlottes Plantage nieder. Martin scheint im Kampf mit Tavington zu unterliegen. Der Vertrag mit Sony läuft im Februar aus und ich Rachel Chagall, wir werden nicht weiter zusammenarbeiten. Roland Emmerich: Filme sind immer symbolisch. Wir sind über die Kampagne in Deutschland mit dem Titelzusatz und Gibsons Gesicht über das ganze Plakat auch nicht so glücklich. Da Emmerich aber mit keiner Zusage rechnete, beauftragte er zuerst den Komponisten David Arnold ; erst später sagte Williams zu. Patriot Film K: Caleb Deschanel. American Fighter 2 Brenner. Martin stellt die Milizionäre daraufhin frei, damit sie ihre Familien schützen können. Der Vertrag mit Sony läuft im Februar aus und ich denke, wir werden nicht weiter zusammenarbeiten. Farb-Format Farbe. Hundeprofi Vox John Kingswell. Dean Devlin.

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